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Feb. 19th, 2005 06:11 am
[identity profile] x-beast.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] xp_journal
I made it, I believe, quite clear that Amanda was forbidden to use her healing magics save at great need, for the sake of her health. Great magic puts a great strain on her body, and could do permanent damage. Apparently, however, I failed to emphasize this enough.

Therefore, I will make myself very clear indeed. Nobody, NOBODY, is to ask Amanda to perform any act of magic for them, for any reason whatsoever. Not a finding spell, not a charm, not the levitation of a pencil. Since clearly concern for her health is not a sufficient deterrent, perhaps the prospect of personal punishment will do the job.

This subject is not open to debate. Nobody is to take this up with Amanda, or in any way make her feel guilty for not being available to be taken advantage of. I trust that this is sufficiently clear to everyone.

Date: 2005-02-19 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
With all due respect, sir, shouldn't that final decision be left up to Amanda? Unless you're saying she's not capable of that kind of decision.

Date: 2005-02-20 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
You're under the impression people LET me do anything with my power. I understand you've been out of sorts recently, Doctor, so I'll forgive you the fact that you're sounding like a rather oppressive fascist here.

If the next time I build something that saves someone's life, I come down with a little bloody nose or a headache, I suppose next time you'll say "Oh, not allowed, young man. They'll just have to die."

My power, my choice. Same goes for Amanda. There's really no argument there.

Date: 2005-02-20 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
I see. So asking - not forcing, but asking - someone to use their power is trying to kill them? So much for that whole free will thing.

Every time one of the fliers goes up above 120 feet, they have enough altitude to reach terminal velocity in a fall and die on impact. Are you going to tell them they can't fly?

I understand that you think the ends justify the means, Doctor, but you've no more right to tell Amanda not to use her magic than you do to tell Clarice to stop being purple.

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Date: 2005-02-20 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
There is rather a difference between a nose bleed and near death. It is much the same as scratching the paint on a car and ripping out the engine. You /can/ do it but it is largely considered a bad idea for the car. Which is, I suspect, what Hank is getting at here.

In any case, we listen to the med people when they tell us health things. Because they are the doctor people and have scary needles of doom and machines that go ping.

Date: 2005-02-20 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
But you see, Dr. McCoy's already admitted to not knowing the first thing about how Amanda's power works. BECAUSE he's a doctor. That comes with a rather stringent mode of thinking, and not a lot of room to accept new paradigms. Heck, if it weren't for my power, I wouldn't have the first CLUE how Amanda's magic works.

But it's her power. It's who she is. Telling her not to use it is no different than saying "Just stop being a dirty mutie". You have an ability, you use it. Anything else makes you just human.

Date: 2005-02-20 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-polarisstar.livejournal.com
He knows she can hurt herself by over-doing it. I'm not saying his 'no magic period exclamation point end of sentence' policy wasn't an overreaction but it was the reaction that a medical professional should have about his patient. If you see using magic follows to vast hurting then you stop what you think is the cause. He should have talked to Amanda first, and to her magic teacher but it wasn't as entirely out of line as it's being painted.

But it's her power. It's who she is. Telling her not to use it is no different than saying "Just stop being a dirty mutie". You have an ability, you use it. Anything else makes you just human.

I have to disagree with you on that. In fact, I have to violently disagree. My power is most certainly not who I am nor do I think that is true of any mutant. Defining yourself by a single aspect of your life is short-sighted and, in my opinion, dangerous. I will not be cast as simply 'a mutant' anymore than I will permit being cast as simply 'a cook' or 'a woman'. Doing so is insulting. I am more than the sum of my parts.

Furthermore, there is nothing 'just' about being human.

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Date: 2005-02-19 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-mirage.livejournal.com
does this mean no potions either? she's given me a couple for nausea and heartburn - it's okay if she doesn't anymore and I won't ask her. but I don't know if that's magic or not.

Date: 2005-02-19 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-foliate.livejournal.com
And I suppose you think you are better equipped to recognize "great magic" and "great need" than say, the witch herself.

Amanda is a smart woman. Deciding how she should use her magic for her is demeaning, if not a subtle form of servitude.

Date: 2005-02-19 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-kylun.livejournal.com
The nature of magic is such that its wielder is not always the best qualified to determine their own limits; at the monastery, we had caregivers whose task was solely to ensure that the mystics did not overtax themselves, and they were greatly honored. If Doctor McCoy has seen fit to take this step, I have no doubt that he has only Amanda's well-being in mind.

Date: 2005-02-19 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-foliate.livejournal.com
All right. I can accept that. Thank you for being all zen and reasonable with me. I have a bit of a temper; which is not an excuse, but an explanation and an apology.

However, I think what's really bothering me is not the fact that Doctor McCoy has asked that Amanda take it easy, but more so that he has ordered her to do no magic except for that which he deems necessary. How can he judge? Amanda has healed several people in serious condition with his okay, so who is to say that my brother's... issue was any less serious?

Date: 2005-02-19 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-kylun.livejournal.com
Perhaps Amanda's own health is to say? That is something the Doctor is well equipped to judge, and we do not know if she might be in a more fragile state than she was on those other occasions.

Date: 2005-02-19 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-foliate.livejournal.com
I would think so as well, but logically wouldn't it be the opposite? Since Amanda is doing so little magic these days, she should be stronger than before, not more fragile.

Amanda's own health is always top priority. I'm just worried about how her magic doesn't really seem to be her own anymore, instead something for the doctors to hoard and use only when they decide is fit.

Don't get me wrong, our doctors are the best, but something about this just doesn't sit right with me. It's more than their right to dismiss my opinion, but I also have the right to express it.

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Date: 2005-02-20 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-foliate.livejournal.com
So what? She's a mind reader now? Well, we did need another telepath.

Look, we're not going to agree on this and I don't want to fight, especially after the much more civilized conversation with Kylun. But I do not agree with this at all.

Date: 2005-02-20 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-foliate.livejournal.com
I repeat.

Agree to disagree.

Date: 2005-02-20 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-blink.livejournal.com
so then I shouldn't teleport people? I don't say no when people ask either.

forget that, doc. no way. Amanda is a big girl and can make her own choices.

Date: 2005-02-20 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
Wait, yes you did. You said no just today. Which makes sense - I'd rather take the drive rather than get teleported into the middle of a wall because you're exhausted.

See? Responsibility.

Date: 2005-02-20 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-blink.livejournal.com
first time I said that though. I've done the massive group 'port before, but always in emergencies.

this just wasn't worth it really. can't blast the radio if I blink you.

Date: 2005-02-20 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-madelyn.livejournal.com
But you also don't make a habit of reguarly 'porting large groups of people regardless of how much effort it takes, kiddo.

Hank's already apologised for over-reacting, and continuing to flog this particular dead horse isn't going to achieve anything. How about we give this thread a rest, hmm?

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